From Homeless to CEO: Shawn Pigg’s Unstoppable Journey of Resilience + Faith
Hi, everyone. Thank you for another episode of 10 Steps Ahead. I'm your girl, DeShawn Snow.
Skido Ortiz:Skido in the building.
DeShawn Snow:And we have an exciting guest
Skido Ortiz:with us Shawn, my man, Shawn Piggs.
DeShawn Snow:Mr. Sean Pigg.
Skido Ortiz:I love it.
Shawn Pigg:Thank you. Thank you for allowing me I here love it.
Skido Ortiz:I love it. Hey, so everybody know that this show is universal. Right? We're talking about everything worldwide. We're gonna have certain guests, special guests coming on.
Skido Ortiz:And, Shawn, I'm so happy you're able to be one of our first guests on here. I mean, actually, it's two on two, you and VA, but just we're excited about having these guests and interviewing you, man. And you're doing a lot. You've done a lot of great things and inspirational things out here, and I needed you to come on the show and share it, man. I was telling the show about you, and we're glad to have you here.
Shawn Pigg:Well, thank you for the invite.
DeShawn Snow:Definitely. So you're a master at turning life's toughest moment into strategic fuel, because we're all about chestnut checkers. As a resilient strategy and speaker, you help people and organizations reframe adversity as their secret weapon. So I'm excited to learn a little bit more about you. Your work is all about owning your story, but let's start with yours.
DeShawn Snow:If you have to connect the dots between the Shawn of ten years ago to the guy you are today, what's the real thread that ties it all together?
Shawn Pigg:It is the the growth that I've experienced within.
DeShawn Snow:Okay.
Shawn Pigg:As you go through challenges in life, you can, you know, view them as obstacles or you can view them as lessons. And if you view it as a lesson, then you'll be able to get through that challenge. Absolutely. The challenges that I've experienced, not only in the last ten years, but my entire life, has taught me how to be resilient, has taught me how to overcome, has taught me patience, and most importantly, has brought me closer to God.
DeShawn Snow:Which is the purpose of it all.
Shawn Pigg:Absolutely. Yes. Without God, I wouldn't be able to be moving in the direction I'm moving into now. And I didn't even find him, you know, truly I've always found him, but until I went through my divorce. And when I had that moment of solitude and and I, you know, started diving within and listening to the spirits and I started discovering myself.
DeShawn Snow:Absolutely.
Shawn Pigg:Which was a which was a big growth, you know, spurt for me.
DeShawn Snow:I always say it's one thing knowing scripture, and it's another thing experiencing scripture. So I'm with you on that because when I went when I also went through a divorce, even though I grew up in a church, you know, understanding knowing God in that way was a game changer for me.
Skido Ortiz:So what I see is when y'all went through y'all worse, to bring you closer to him or open up things. But here's the thing about it is before all of that go a lot of people don't know I mean, that's why it's so important to have something special in your life, you know, being whatever religion you're in or whatever, if it's a life, whatever, is positive. That to make that first, don't wait for things to happen. Because, you know, when you make it a to put that first in your life will create the stop the things that's about to happen. You understand?
Skido Ortiz:It gives you a kind of God kinda it's like another voice, because we always say, there's two voices in our head. There's bad and there's good. Right? You know them red flags? We we can listen to this.
Skido Ortiz:We can listen to that. Some of the times, we listen to ourselves. Right?
Skido Ortiz:Yeah.
Skido Ortiz:But God is always telling you, Listen, man, do the right thing. And then, you know, the enemy's always like, Nah, whatever, when you get to it. But with a lot of things comes consequences. Correct?
Shawn Pigg:And no matter what decision you Absolutely. Make, there's a
Skido Ortiz:You know what I'm saying? So on that note, man, Sean, I know you're here. I see a lot of special things you've been going doing in in out here, motivational speaker talking, and I even went to visit your house. We'll go there later. That was amazing.
Skido Ortiz:We got a story for that. But on that note, I want I want you to take us back to the show. And back then, what made you how how you became who you was? What clicked?
Shawn Pigg:Well, when I was 19, I decided to take off from Indiana and go to Florida and got off the bus at Daytona Beach. I think it was 1999 when MC Hammer was down there.
Skido Ortiz:Oh, yeah.
Shawn Pigg:You know, I've seen all these beautiful women when I get off the bus. I'm like, where did all these come from? You know, didn't even exist in my life in Indiana. And I said, I'm staying here. So I decided to stay, and I was homeless for a year and a half.
Shawn Pigg:And, you know, bounced around trying to figure out who I am and what I was gonna become. Had no, you know, real true destiny in life. I just knew that, hey, this is party time for me. So I stayed down there and was homeless for a year and a half and was staying in this abandoned hotel. And one day I woke up, you know, from this bed that I was sleeping in.
Shawn Pigg:I looked in the mirror and it was cracked. And it's almost like you said, you have two sides of your yourself, the North Pole and the South Pole, you know? The good and the bad. So I was looking in this mirror and I said, What am I doing? What am I doing?
Shawn Pigg:And then right then it clicked. It said, Okay, it's time to kick in gear right now. And immediately, I went out and I started working with companies and helping build companies and learning my talent. And from there, started moving forward, building my own companies. And I've owned my own companies now for over twenty years.
Skido Ortiz:Wow. Wow.
DeShawn Snow:What was your driving force?
Shawn Pigg:I was not going to be what everybody thought I was gonna become.
DeShawn Snow:Yes.
Shawn Pigg:And, you know, I was a person I was supposed to be in debt or in jail or, you know, homeless the rest of my life. I wasn't supposed to become anything. And I wanted to prove each and every person wrong. That was my drive. That's my fuel.
Shawn Pigg:Tell me I can't do it. Watch me do it 10 times better than what I was going to.
DeShawn Snow:Now did you have that belief in yourself? Because sometimes we do it scared. But did you have the belief in yourself, or did you do it scared?
Shawn Pigg:I it once I seen that correct mirror, that's when I started believing in myself. I said, I can do it. If I can be homeless, then I can also be wealthy.
Skido Ortiz:Can do anything.
Shawn Pigg:I had a choice. It's my choice to
DeShawn Snow:make. Absolutely.
Shawn Pigg:And so I just started driving myself and haven't stopped.
DeShawn Snow:Wow. No, that's awesome.
Skido Ortiz:That is amazing. And that on that note, when you the companies you worked for, what's the first because I know it took one to really set it up. Because working for somebody is something else, but being your own boss is special. You know what I'm saying? But what made you want to be your own what made you clear?
Skido Ortiz:Because you know there's always somebody that you, you know, they take advantage you know what I'm saying? When you work with somebody and you're looking at them, making them all this money, and then all a sudden, you're like, You know what? I could do this on my own. What was it when that started?
Skido Ortiz:I think my breaking point was that I went through a lot
Shawn Pigg:of jobs and a lot of careers. And I think my breaking point was tired of making other people rich. I was tired of coming in there, learning their system, mastering their system, improving their system and then making people rich. And I'm sitting down here, you know, making a quarter of a million a year. Like, okay, I'm getting This is getting old, and I'm not seeing my family.
Shawn Pigg:And so I think the breaking point of me going from a JOB, you know, as an employee to, you know, starting my own company was when I helped the company become a billion dollar company. I said, okay, this is the second company I helped become be a billion dollar company, and I'm making a quarter of a million a year. And I said, I'm gonna if I'm gonna make somebody a billion dollars, it's
DeShawn Snow:gonna be me.
Shawn Pigg:Absolutely. Because keep in mind, we can do whatever we want to
Skido Ortiz:do. Absolutely.
Shawn Pigg:So I wanted to make that you know, took that step in you know, that stepping stone, it was definitely a roller coaster. It was it was but I would never take it back.
DeShawn Snow:Right. Woah. And the lesson was in the journey, not the destination. Absolutely. Which we're still evolving,
Shawn Pigg:right? 100 Not
DeShawn Snow:the year. Yeah.
Shawn Pigg:A 100%. Absolutely. It's all about the journey. Yeah.
DeShawn Snow:So all about, authenticity and staying true. Was there a moment where you thought, screw fitting in. I'm done hiding my scars. And and how did you use that to change the game for you?
Skido Ortiz:Well, I would say that would probably have been after the divorce. Okay.
Shawn Pigg:I was with my ex wife for twenty five years. And, you know, we instantly, you know, just separated and got a divorce. As you know, it's not easy. Yeah. It's gonna bring up a lot of dark shadows in yourself.
Shawn Pigg:You're gonna learn a lot about yourself. You're gonna learn a lot about where you need to grow at, what you need to do to be able to have that type of companionship where it's a good situation. Yeah. So when I was going through this trauma and healing myself and and secluded, you know, I moved out of the city, bought a whole bunch of land out in the middle of the woods. Yeah.
Shawn Pigg:Yeah. You see, I'm in the middle
Skido Ortiz:of nowhere. Yeah.
Shawn Pigg:That, you know, God put me there for a reason. He put me there to really understand who I am, to make my connection, and to say, okay, Sean, it's time to share your experience with the world, to share your journey because there's people out there that are going through what I had been through that don't know how to overcome it.
DeShawn Snow:Exactly.
Shawn Pigg:And that's my job to help them overcome what they're going through.
DeShawn Snow:Right. That's and that's the whole purpose in any type of adversity, I feel, that, you know, we go through it so that we can come out and bring other people out. So even though we're not at we may only be at chapter 12 in our story, but someone's in chapter one or two that needs to hear from us.
Shawn Pigg:Absolutely. It's it's not happening to you. It's happening for
DeShawn Snow:you. Exactly.
Shawn Pigg:And and you're absolutely a 100% right. And and people, when you're doing your videos or you're doing your podcast, those people that are at that frequency level that are supposed to resonate with you at that time, they're gonna pick up in whatever chapter you're at. Exactly. And you're gonna help them continue to grow. Basically, we're giving them a blueprint.
Skido Ortiz:A platform.
Shawn Pigg:Yeah. A blueprint life. Okay. Hey. We've done this.
Shawn Pigg:We've already been there. This is how you avoid this. Let me show you.
Skido Ortiz:Mhmm.
Shawn Pigg:And it's just giving back you know, in my opinion, they say, you know, give 10% to charity. I'm giving a 100% to the world.
DeShawn Snow:Absolutely.
Shawn Pigg:You know, so I'm I'm believing in giving myself all the way back to everybody.
DeShawn Snow:I always say, you know, I help people cut decades into days because it took me ten years because, like you said, until you're willing to do the work, hold up that mirror, face those ugly parts and work through that, you know, you can't heal.
Skido Ortiz:-So it -That's took
DeShawn Snow:me a long time to get to that point. But then when you get sick and tired of being sick and tired, then you're like, okay, well, I gotta do something. But, if people always say, Don't worry about what happened to you. Worry about what was the purpose. You know, why did it happen?
DeShawn Snow:What are you supposed to learn from it? Focus inward, and then you can grow. And then it doesn't take as long, and especially if you stay focused.
Shawn Pigg:I'd be 100% right. And don't dwell on it. -Yes. -You can't dwell
DeShawn Snow:-I on don't
Skido Ortiz:think dwell saying on it, you're
Shawn Pigg:gonna be stuck right there. And you're just gonna keep repeating the same cycle over and over again.
Skido Ortiz:You can't. You gotta change. I don't care what you do. You gotta change. And the thing is, pain can last different times.
Skido Ortiz:Pain will never go away. Gretta will never go away. But people gotta know, don't let it overtake you. Just move forward because it'll keep you locked in a dark place. And when you came out of that dark place, was good.
Skido Ortiz:And twenty five years is a long time. You know, let's keep it real. For people out here that matter, you think, Oh, I'm good. This, this. Yeah.
Skido Ortiz:When you're going through it, it becomes vicious. You know what I'm saying? You start to attack each other because every both sides are hurt. There's a lot of things going on. And it's going on today.
Skido Ortiz:That's why we right here, when we this platform, not just an interview, we're trying to change lives too. Me and Deshaun, we wanna do that. I mean, you first, you gotta change within yourselves before you to have a platform. You know what I'm saying? That's why we keep it real with ourselves, to be honest.
Skido Ortiz:But on that note, man, sorry about your divorce, but I'm happy for your journey.
Shawn Pigg:Thank you. Thank you.
Skido Ortiz:Was hot. I like that one.
Skido Ortiz:Just jumped out. That came out
Shawn Pigg:no way. Gonna be copyrighted. That
Skido Ortiz:was hard right there. Take that. Take that. But on that note
Shawn Pigg:Another one from Ski E.
Skido Ortiz:You can have that.
Skido Ortiz:You can have that, y'all.
Skido Ortiz:But I like what you're doing now. It's amazing. And I met your son, and you have a great how many kids do you have?
Shawn Pigg:I have two. Have an 18 year old and 25.
Skido Ortiz:I didn't meet I met the youngest one. Yep. Matter of fact, DeShaun, you met him too at the concert. It was the only white kid in the whole concert.
DeShawn Snow:That was on stage.
Skido Ortiz:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keeping records.
Skido Ortiz:So I do remember.
Skido Ortiz:My mother, my mother, when he was up there, so they were The only just white boy there. The only white boy there, he was chilling. And I was like, I was like, damn, with his, with his other white girlfriend. Then she's like She's straight ahead. And he's like, what's up?
Skido Ortiz:And I was like, yo, go get him. Remember the song I said, Security, grab him.
Skido Ortiz:So everybody point, this guy's coming. And when they come grab him and
Skido Ortiz:pull him, he wasn't worried about He's not dead, Bob.
Skido Ortiz:The way he came, you could tell he looked at his girl. He's like, Yeah, follow security. He
Skido Ortiz:came to
Skido Ortiz:the stage and he goes, Stand right here. You good? He's like, Yeah. And he looked over his girl and said,
Skido Ortiz:This is what I do. He had the watch. Did
Skido Ortiz:the watch thing. I was like, Good. But that was the kid at the conference.
DeShawn Snow:-Okay, Swallow. -Yeah.
Shawn Pigg:Yeah. Appreciate you inviting him and taking care of my reserve.
Skido Ortiz:-Thank -Man,
Skido Ortiz:Yeah, man. When I say kids is something else, I got you. I got you, man. He enjoyed himself. You know, he's a good kid.
Skido Ortiz:Good young man. You. Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow:So you say leaders should lead from scars and not trophies. But let's get real. How do you stay vulnerable when everyone is expecting you to have all the answers?
Shawn Pigg:You know, so answers naturally come to me. It's, you know, based on experiences I've already had in life. And so typically, I'm a person that connects energetically with people. And I can feel who you are, where you're going, where you're stuck at, where you need to go. So I just had this ability to do this.
Shawn Pigg:You know, people are born with gifts. Everybody is born with a gift. It's up to you to find it. It's up to you to really dig in yourself and say, okay, this is my gift. I know it now.
Shawn Pigg:And then start working on that gift. And the more you work on it, you know, the brighter the light shines.
DeShawn Snow:Yes. Yes.
Shawn Pigg:And the more people you help. So I'm all about finding people that are going through rough challenges and really digging deep into them. It's something I could do, and I can't explain how. I really And then watching their progress.
DeShawn Snow:Yes.
Shawn Pigg:That's I love so watching somebody, you know, like myself go from homeless to making 6 figures a year because of my teachings and educations and what I'm providing them with. That experience, you can't pay for. So that is my trophy.
DeShawn Snow:Okay. Awesome. Yeah.
Skido Ortiz:That's good. This is motivating.
Skido Ortiz:I love it. It's just saying that there's nothing you can't do. Anything you put your mind to, God first, I mean, it's nothing you can't do. Don't give up on yourself. Stay Quit.
Skido Ortiz:In these dark Shake that out for you, man. Okay, you made mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. Everybody's Absolutely. Be accountable.
Skido Ortiz:You know, look at yourself sometimes. Make yourself better, and then it'll glow on you. Fix yourself. No everybody nobody's perfect. But the thing is, when you're moving forward, you're trying to do the right things, that that's like a light.
Skido Ortiz:People they wanna be around It's something about you that's different than the next. You understand? Circle yourself around light instead of dark. You know what I'm saying? Just it's just people don't understand these things.
Skido Ortiz:And that's why he's a light, even though I'm rough. I know I've been in so much dark. I love light. That's why I wear white all the time. And today is a different shirt.
Skido Ortiz:Yeah. But but but they be like, Ski, when you it's not because it's hot because I just like everything white. You know what I'm saying? Light. Just light colors.
Skido Ortiz:I don't wanna be dark places
Skido Ortiz:no more.
Skido Ortiz:You know what I'm saying? And I like the fact that we have our talks and, you know, you share your dark places and then you share the light a lot, man. I love it about you, Sean.
Shawn Pigg:Thank you.
Skido Ortiz:I just don't because we talk.
DeShawn Snow:That's awesome. -Yeah. No, it's always about, you know, I'm all about no matter what it looks like, just don't give up. -Yeah. -Because you can't You never know where you can get if you give up.
DeShawn Snow:You know what I'm saying? Your breakthrough is probably right on the other side of it. So I'm all about, keep pushing forward. But, you talk a lot about reframing failure, which is important. Give us a time when a setback felt like the end, but it became a pivotal point in your life.
Shawn Pigg:Oh, I have a lot of those. I would say some of the most important ones. When I was 16 years old, I reunited a car and a seven year old girl died, and she was my next door neighbor. Most devastating moment of my life. At that point, I became lost and confused.
Shawn Pigg:I basically, you know, I started beating up anybody who looked at me. I didn't was mean. I was mad. I was angry. I was upset with God.
Shawn Pigg:Why did I do that? Because I love children. Why was I put in that position? And it took me so many years to overcome that trauma. You know?
Shawn Pigg:And I always I walk through life with that fear that something's gonna happen to my kids because I took a child's life. So I walked through that life every day with this fear. Like, where's my kids? Where's my kids? Where's my kids?
Shawn Pigg:Where's my wife? Where's my kids? Then until I got ahold of her mom and we became friends. And now I'm like her son. And I helped her heal.
Shawn Pigg:She helped me heal. So when that moment happened in my life, I understood that God did that for a reason. God put me in that position because they're not only from the accident, but from the experience, the journey of what you know, after that, how I went homeless, how I picked myself up, dusted myself off with no support, done it on my own, and got back out there and and became a successful business owner. Yes. That's probably one of the biggest moments.
Shawn Pigg:There's you know, I've been a homeless part. I've been a divorce really the divorce really woke me up. Yeah. As you can imagine, you said you've I'm I'm sorry. Congratulations and sorry.
Shawn Pigg:I don't know which Well,
DeShawn Snow:you know, that is what God needs to do to get my attention. That's how I
Shawn Pigg:look at it. A 100%. And and it works, don't it?
Skido Ortiz:Yeah.
Shawn Pigg:It works. And I look where you're
DeShawn Snow:at now.
Shawn Pigg:You're now you're you're your own new journey, and which is incredible. Congratulations.
DeShawn Snow:Thank you.
Shawn Pigg:And that's what has brought me moving from I've been a CEO of my company for over twenty years. And now, the divorce, I connected, was told, okay, no more of this. I still own them all, but now it's time to go this direction.
DeShawn Snow:Okay. So that's Your priorities change.
Shawn Pigg:A 100%. Yep. And you don't have that chaos. You turn chaos into clarity. You're you're now becoming you're not confused anymore.
Shawn Pigg:Yeah. Know, now you
Skido Ortiz:need And
DeShawn Snow:God is not the author of confusion.
Shawn Pigg:Correct. Because purpose doesn't need permission.
DeShawn Snow:Exactly. I like that. Are dumb.
Skido Ortiz:Dropping mics today, boy. Take that. Take that. Saying?
DeShawn Snow:I'll take that. I'll take that.
Skido Ortiz:I'm giving y'all that. Take it in your spirit.
DeShawn Snow:No, this is good.
Skido Ortiz:So you own all these companies and everything like that. And you so cool. You chill, laid back. Today, we got our little jeans and shirt. People don't understand wealth don't show off.
Skido Ortiz:And people that wear money don't show off. See, a lot of y'all be with cars and chains, y'all look alike. Y'all do the same thing. Invest. Understand what business is.
Skido Ortiz:Understand how to link yourself with powerful people. Y'all looking for Y'all all looking at that's not it. You understand? I always could see the person in the corner that a certain person, an athlete or entertainer that's very powerful, it'd be the most coolest person in the room. Don't look like nobody in the room.
Skido Ortiz:And that's the person they trust the most. And I always had an eye for that to go, Yo, who's that? Oh, no. Who's that with the suit and the tie and the jewelry? Man, that's not it.
Skido Ortiz:It's that dude. You know what I'm saying? The one that doesn't care It looked like he doesn't care about none of this. You know what I'm saying? But it's something light about him that whatever he is, he's humble about it.
Skido Ortiz:He knows who he is as a person. You know what I'm saying? And he has a different light about it. He got a glow. What we could say is you could tell he likes seeing people win.
Skido Ortiz:You know what I'm saying? Only people that's like that could see that.
DeShawn Snow:-Absolutely. -Mike or Trike?
Skido Ortiz:So, you know, and that's something else.
Shawn Pigg:I mean, I'm not as sure by any means, but I could tell you, mean, my home's bought and paid for. My vehicles are bought and paid for. I read it back.
Skido Ortiz:Yeah, you'd be swagged out.
Skido Ortiz:Sometimes it depends on my
Shawn Pigg:No, son dresses
Skido Ortiz:yeah, yeah. Sometimes the one time you had
Skido Ortiz:on some outfit for some and VA was with me. He said, Man, that man's decked out from head
Skido Ortiz:to toe. He said, Man, that I
Skido Ortiz:was like, Yo, that's fly, man. I was like But it wasn't about You know, we joke and laugh
Skido Ortiz:about that, but seriously, it was
Shawn Pigg:I went through that divorce. My son said, Shawn Or he said, Dad. He said, Let me start buying your clothes for you.
Skido Ortiz:Oh, that's for sure.
Shawn Pigg:That's what happens. So next thing I know, he comes home with, like, you know, Louis Vuitton Louis Vuitton D'Or, you know, Amiri, and
Skido Ortiz:then Yeah. Oh, that's what you're And,
Shawn Pigg:yeah, he's had me all dressed up. I'm like, Okay. What'd do? He goes, Now you look 19.
Skido Ortiz:I'm like, Is that what your son do, D? No. And Sean, like, when you
Skido Ortiz:told him to make it lighter I mean, you know how to dress already, but what did your kid do to make it lighter? Mean, because they always tried to
DeShawn Snow:make lighter. So it was just the one that was there because the other two were with their dad. But you I was such a hot mess, so he didn't
Skido Ortiz:know what to do. Yeah,
DeShawn Snow:yeah, no. Yeah. Okay.
Skido Ortiz:I'm very
Shawn Pigg:I understand.
DeShawn Snow:Yeah. But what I wanted to do to For me, what worked for me is simplicity, you know, instead of I had all this stuff, but once you are okay with not having that, I'd rather have peace than to have all this stuff or try to keep keep it and try to maintain it and try to even just maintenance on things. So simplicity also helped to keep things to help me move forward because you you can't thrive in chaos.
Shawn Pigg:Absolutely. Right. 100%.
Skido Ortiz:Kids are special. You know, when my mom's died, my daughter was young, and she didn't leave my sight. That was the dark one of the dark. I had a lot of but that was like, oh, forget about it. When you lose a mother, that's the worst connection.
Skido Ortiz:But she just seemed like, you know, what Kepestu, she just never left my sight. You know what I'm saying? And until this day, she's 21. She, you know, she made me this shirt. Always looking out.
Skido Ortiz:Kids, dark places, somebody, the people you love the most, try to attach yourself to somebody. Don't care if it's one person, but that one person can save your life. I don't care if it's a family member or a friend that adores you and loves you and wants the best for you. You don't need a group. You can connect, go to that one person.
Skido Ortiz:Sometimes that one thing can shake the darkness out of you. I mean, that's happened for me. I mean, sometimes people will attach ourselves to people that ain't that can't pull us out of things, but you just go to the one that you know no matter what got your back. You know what I'm saying?
Shawn Pigg:Absolutely. And then along that journey, you know, people will come there for a reason and for a season.
Skido Ortiz:Know what
Skido Ortiz:I mean? Yes.
Shawn Pigg:They're here to, like, hit that one little spot in you, and then all of a sudden, they're gone. Yeah. As your frequency rises, people just disappear, new people come in.
Skido Ortiz:Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow:And you'd be And I've learned through life to just let it be, be fine with it, not try to figure out and break it down why it happened as that now. People go, just let them go. Because really, it's not part of your plan.
Shawn Pigg:And they can't Not everybody is meant to go with you.
DeShawn Snow:Right.
Shawn Pigg:A 100%.
Skido Ortiz:Say that again?
Shawn Pigg:Not everybody is meant to go with you.
Skido Ortiz:That means cut cut it loose. Okay. I'm a break that down. In my world, y'all receive. Y'all agree with me.
Skido Ortiz:When when I feel, you know, since God wants ready to take me to the next level, sometimes he'll hold up the blessing because he's trying to tell you to release that person.
DeShawn Snow:Yeah. Because you're nervous.
Skido Ortiz:But you're trying to think he'd been with me ten, twenty years. In ten, twenty years, what have he brought to the table? What what has he done in your life? Besides, a friend is is cool, but you gotta feed people. There's things you gotta do.
Skido Ortiz:So I understand that y'all gotta let go and trust to let go because everybody around you ain't good for you. You understand what I'm saying? And when you're going to the next level, there's gonna be rooms they're not ready for, and actually will mess your business up if you bring them in the rooms. You know what I'm talking about?
Shawn Pigg:One of the hardest things to overcome is attachment.
Skido Ortiz:It is.
Shawn Pigg:One of the hardest things, because people, us, as humans, are attached to things. Persons, places, things, people, and learning how to have deattachment is where you're gonna start seeing your growth when you're not being attached. And also learning how to control you know, it helps you control your emotions and feelings.
Skido Ortiz:Yes. Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow:And being detached from the outcome.
Skido Ortiz:Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow:That stick for me. You know, you can't just detach yourself from the outcome. Don't worry about do what you're gonna do. Don't worry about the outcome.
Shawn Pigg:Yeah. Just do it. Make it happen. Mhmm. You know?
Shawn Pigg:And and absolutely and that was one very hard part as I started getting into motivational speaking. Look at the outcome. Yes. Okay. What what's happening here?
Shawn Pigg:Okay. How how why am I not getting likes? Why am not getting views? Why am
Skido Ortiz:I and whatever. And now
Shawn Pigg:I don't even care anymore. Yeah. That's the good part.
Skido Ortiz:Don't care.
Shawn Pigg:Distrust. Those that are meant to be there and find a message will find And a if people, you know, as your frequency increases, you're gonna run into new people. Yes. You know? I mean, I met Ski, I mean, was know, that was during the
Skido Ortiz:time came to my restaurant.
DeShawn Snow:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Skido Ortiz:Oh, no, no. Let me tell you the story. So this is that this is
Skido Ortiz:just how God be working. He came, and whoever was cooking back there messed up the whole whatever it was, they wasn't happy. And I was and I was sitting at the bar just chilling because I, you know, I still don't wanna be there. I don't know why I'm there.
Shawn Pigg:We had about fifteen, twenty people there.
Skido Ortiz:Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. And And
Skido Ortiz:he could tell you the story from there. I don't know about what happened. We went He came to me. What happened? So, yeah, walked over.
Shawn Pigg:We're sitting at the dinner table, and, you know, the food was late, and then it came out cold and this kind of stuff. And my family, you know, they're all complaining. Well, I'm not saying anything. I'm looking around the restaurant. I'm like, I see some guy over here watching basketball, just sitting back like this, watching basketball by himself.
Shawn Pigg:And I said, That's the owner. I said, I'll be back. And they're like, No, don't. Don't. Sean, don't.
Shawn Pigg:Let's just leave. Let's just pay his bill. I said, Well, we're going to pay the bill, but I'm gonna go have a talk with him. Because I knew, as a business owner, he has the right to understand what is going on with this That's right. I didn't make him aware, he doesn't know how to fix it.
Shawn Pigg:So I walked over there. I was like, Hey, you own this place? He goes, What seems to be the problem? And then we started talking and
Skido Ortiz:I ain't seen the
Skido Ortiz:fucking up. He didn't. Because I'm trying to hide, but horses recognize bosses. I'm trying to chill.
Skido Ortiz:What is it?
Skido Ortiz:What's going on with you?
Shawn Pigg:He did not want to talk to me.
Skido Ortiz:He's like, man, I'm in
Shawn Pigg:the middle of a game here. And he goes, actually, it's No, it's my partner's restaurant. But we started talking, and I explained the situation to him. And, you know, he's offered me a discount. I'm like, I'm not worried about that.
Shawn Pigg:I wanna pay the bill. I'm not worried about it. And ever since then, it's just our energy connected instantly.
Skido Ortiz:I told him, Come back. I handled it like you're supposed to handle it. I addressed it. It was soft, and we and I said, what can I do to make it better? You understand?
Skido Ortiz:At the end of the day. And I come back. I'll make because I knew who was back there messing up anyway. He was he was going through some cooks. But I said and then from there, we just it's just we start talking, Just talking as genuine people, just talking about life and everything, and that was it.
Skido Ortiz:God has set you up. I've You've done this
Skido Ortiz:this all my my
Shawn Pigg:100. On your past. Ever and and it's amazing that ever since my divorce, everybody I knew in that past life is no longer part of this life. There's nobody nobody I talk to. They're all everybody is new.
Shawn Pigg:Wow. So that's as your energy and frequency increases and you find your true self, you know who to associate with, who to be around, and who's gonna inspire you on your journey.
DeShawn Snow:Yeah. And you have to be grounded in who you are and you have to because I find because I am a totally different person than who I was before. Life has humbled me, but and I've grown in so many ways. And so when you have people from from before, then they always wanna put you in that box. But then you're, like, second like, wait a minute.
DeShawn Snow:What? Like, because I know my intentions, and I know I'm I'm not that same person. But sometimes, you know, I'm like, God, you know, I don't get this because help me see what I'm missing. And then he's like, no, you're not doing anything. They just they can't see you no other way.
Shawn Pigg:Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow:And they're not always good for you.
Skido Ortiz:That's why it's good for change. Y'all be scared to be man, I
Skido Ortiz:don't I care
Shawn Pigg:love change.
Skido Ortiz:I love man, I don't care of you. I mean,
Skido Ortiz:change is beautiful because somebody's bringing something new in your life. You can't stay with the old all the time. Could keep your friend Family's never going nowhere. But friends it's always and they should be happy. They should be happy that you're growing.
Skido Ortiz:I mean, it doesn't matter what color you are, how much But money you got, all of there's somebody in there that's trying to keep you in the box, you gotta cut that.
Skido Ortiz:Okay.
Skido Ortiz:Because they're not growing. They don't
Skido Ortiz:wanna grow. They're not meant to go with you.
Skido Ortiz:You know, when when y'all went through your darkest times, a lot of them came to see how buried you are. They didn't come to bring you out of it. You feel what I'm saying? They looked to come, and you see them, they're not around. They was around for the show and the light and all the glam, but they was just checking to make sure, because there's people that's just miserable.
Skido Ortiz:They wanna see people down. You know what I'm saying?
DeShawn Snow:I have a few people that are still there who help pull me out. And they, you know, and they because they know how hard I was. You know, I don't know if you went through a period of, like, shame and guilt and all of this other stuff and just, you know, all this nonsense. But they
Shawn Pigg:Blaming yourself.
DeShawn Snow:Mhmm. Speak life into you. Another thing I wanted to ask you about is, like, pivoting a lesson that you had to unlearn. Like, for me, when I I was I had all this stuff, a company, a foundation and all this stuff, and then But I was also married. But then once I wasn't married, once I didn't have those titles, life was harder for me.
DeShawn Snow:Like, things weren't coming to me as easy. And then But it took me forever, but I had to finally realize that, you know, God had a plan for me before I was even formed in my mother's womb. -So -Gather before my I met my ex and before I got divorced. So my plan His plan for me did not change. And I thought, you know, everything was gonna change, but it did not.
DeShawn Snow:But that was, like, a big moment, and it gave me permission to, like, go after things. But did you have to unlearn anything in your journey, whether it be from your divorce or any of your other, like, business failures or anything?
Shawn Pigg:I've had to unlearn a lot. Everything society taught me. Yeah. Yeah. Everything the school systems teach you, everything, you know, your parents taught you because the way they were raised and the way they grew up.
Shawn Pigg:And because naturally, what you learn growing up is what you're gonna become typically. And most people will stay that direction the rest of their lives. But what I really had to unlearn is how to love myself before Properly. Yeah. 100%.
Shawn Pigg:Yep. I really had to love myself before I can even love somebody else. Yes. You know, regardless if I was getting married twenty five years or not, once I discovered how to learn to love myself, a whole new world opened.
DeShawn Snow:Yeah. Because you see yourself as worthy. You see yourself as valuable.
Shawn Pigg:Yeah. Because when you're in a relationship, especially at the end of it, know, things can get ugly. You know, words could be thrown around and then it can mess up your, you know, your focus. It can mess up your your confidence. It can mess up a lot of things about you.
Shawn Pigg:And that's what you have to unlearn. Like, biggest thing I learned, I don't care what anybody says about me. Amen. That's Nothing. So I don't care.
Shawn Pigg:You can say whatever you want about me because it doesn't bother me. That's it. I'm gonna stay focused. I'm gonna keep going, and I'm gonna keep driving. That's what I'm gonna do.
DeShawn Snow:Yeah. Yes. And was that did you get to that point or you always felt that way?
Shawn Pigg:What do about that? It took the it had to go through the healing process. Yep. Had to go through the dark side to see the light side. Had to fight your dark shadows that that that you've been holding on even as a child.
Shawn Pigg:And then through, you know, your yeah. How long were you married?
DeShawn Snow:We were married twelve and a half years, but we were together for, like, twenty because we were freshmen.
Shawn Pigg:So you know that feeling? Yeah. You had to unlearn all that. Everything that you thought that you did know is not what you need to know going forward.
DeShawn Snow:Right.
Shawn Pigg:Yeah. Because you're right. You knew your purpose before you're even born. And everything that's thrown at you in life is for you to learn from that lesson. And if you really truly watch and pay attention to those challenges, the lesson is very clear.
DeShawn Snow:And there's patterns too, really.
Shawn Pigg:Absolutely. And and and we have to break that pattern.
DeShawn Snow:Yes.
Shawn Pigg:Yep. You have to break it down.
DeShawn Snow:But you have to identify it.
Shawn Pigg:Correct.
DeShawn Snow:So I always tell people the journal, like, how do because if if you're not cognizant of it, conscious of it, you know, you won't identify it. But it can be clear as day.
Shawn Pigg:Yep. Right there in front of you. Yeah. I mean, the synchronicity, the signs, everything, right there in front of you. So when I went through a divorce, you know, I've had many people saying, Sean, why are you why are you so married to your why are you so married?
Shawn Pigg:Why are you still married? And it took one man to come up and say the same exact words I've heard a 100 times before and it before it hit me. So we can all deliver the same message. It just depends on, you know, who's listening and who's delivering if it connects.
DeShawn Snow:And if you're ready to receive it.
Shawn Pigg:Correct. You have to be ready to receive it. A 100%. Yeah. So that's something I had to unlearn.
Shawn Pigg:Yeah. Be open to receiving. Yes. In which I there was you know, going through my life, I was only focused on business, raising the children, and being there, you know, for my ex and not
DeShawn Snow:me. Yes.
Skido Ortiz:So loving yourself, getting yourself back together. So the part I like what you're saying is I don't care anymore what people say.
Skido Ortiz:But see, people are
Skido Ortiz:caught up in how what people think and what they feel. And that's what puts people in a bad situation. To me, that's the number one to me, if the enemy was sending out something to destroy people, that's number one, caring about what people feel and think about you, instead of you loving and caring about what you feel about yourself.
DeShawn Snow:And being sure about
Skido Ortiz:what you And being confident. But at the end of the day, it's not worrying about they're not putting food on your table. They're not here taking care of you. You understand what I'm saying? Absolutely.
Skido Ortiz:You can't stop people from being negative like you. If they don't like you, they don't like you. You can't make people like you. You understand? You gotta be who you are and love yourself and be open to stuff.
Skido Ortiz:You know what I'm saying? And that's what I like. I like that this whole journey for me has been being vulnerable. You know what I'm saying? And I'm learning that.
Skido Ortiz:You know what I'm saying? Just having to just opening up myself to, you know, to a lot of things. The war is over for me. That's how I feel. You understand?
Skido Ortiz:And everybody has a dark plot. That's war. So if you go to war and you make it out of it, now what? The war is over. Now what?
Skido Ortiz:You can't be the same person that you was battling.
DeShawn Snow:Lying has to change.
Skido Ortiz:-Something in you made you stronger. Something in it said, You know what? What I used to care, I don't care. And that's the part where we at right now, and that's motivating to me and us in all our dark places.
DeShawn Snow:For sure. Confidence Like and I'm and it was different levels where I cared what people thought. And then, like, more recently, it wasn't so much because I was I guess it still was a matter of insecurity, but it was more so because, like I said, I know I'm different, and I don't want them to think I'm in it that, you know, this and that and the other, but then after a while, they don't think what they're wanting
Shawn Pigg:to Absolutely. You can't control that thought.
DeShawn Snow:You have to just go through life, you have to just keep So with me, I'm, like, staying in my lane, I'm keeping my head down, going forward with everything that I had planned, people are falling off. And it's heartbreaking, but I can't keep second guessing myself. I have to be sure in who I am. And I go to God all the time, you know, cleanse my heart, you know, reveal anything in me that's not of you, but it's all about having that confidence and not caring. And not in a rude, arrogant way, but just as a matter of fact, like, this is not paying my bills, so let me just And you're not helping my purpose.
DeShawn Snow:That's a better way of
Skido Ortiz:saying it.
Shawn Pigg:You're 100% right. You're not paying my bills, you're not helping my purpose, and you're absolutely not in alignment with me. So whatever you have to say doesn't matter to me.
Skido Ortiz:Unless you're already where I want to go,
Shawn Pigg:I mean, know, I mean, look at what you guys are doing right now. You know, you're inspiring the world. You're helping. You're By doing these interviews, there's going to be messages that are delivered that's going to help somebody out. So what you're doing now is in alignment of, you know, the higher good, what's happening right now.
Shawn Pigg:I mean, right now, if you Regardless of which way you look at it, there's timeline shifts. There's spiritual warfare that's going on right now. We all know it. I mean, if you don't know it, you're still asleep. Wake up.
Shawn Pigg:So the biggest thing is facing those challenges as you're going through this spiritual warfare that's happening right now.
Skido Ortiz:I'm gonna ask you something, just to change the subject
Skido Ortiz:It's a little getting a little deep here, emotional. Gotta come shift off. So we took a visit out to your house out there in the mountains. And then I pull up, and I'm a Black man. I'm there with my cameraman.
Skido Ortiz:He's a Black man. And we pull up, and this dog comes in front of the freaking car, he doesn't move. He's staring at us. And he don't move. And I'm like, Yo, should I run him over?
Skido Ortiz:And he's daring me, and I'm talking to the dog. You can ask my And we're looking at each other. It sound like a movie. But now I'm thinking, Should I even go deeper in the woods? Because this ain't working out.
Skido Ortiz:Now we lost all signals to our phones.
Skido Ortiz:So I said, I'm going to this man, where is Sean taking?
Shawn Pigg:I've seen this in the movies before.
Skido Ortiz:I've seen this before, man. I said, this is we're not gonna go up there with all these white people getting stuck up there. And it's a pear. He has this And dogs are just staring at us around the trucks. I'm like, Yo,
Skido Ortiz:I don't know. What you think, Dre?
Skido Ortiz:He's like, I don't know. I'm like, Yo, I can run them on and turn around. It took us about two minutes
Skido Ortiz:to go up that path. And we went up there and all of sudden, this big, nice, beautiful wood cabin thing. And, you know, you got the dogs and you're calling the dogs. And I was like, Wow, he really was out here. So all this time, I wanna apologize for something.
Skido Ortiz:When I used to call, I used to go, You know when you call somebody, Yeah, yeah, I got a bad signal. I got a
Skido Ortiz:bad signal. I said, This man is full of shit. He's full of shit.
Skido Ortiz:He's fucking bullshit. I said, Yo, man, who you think I like? He keeps always with this signal thing, man.
Skido Ortiz:I'm just keeping it real with you.
Skido Ortiz:You here. So finally, I got
Skido Ortiz:out there, lost all signal. And I just wanted to apologize thinking was all this driving
Shawn Pigg:I got signal.
Skido Ortiz:And then,
Skido Ortiz:I gotta wait till
Skido Ortiz:I go to it. He kept saying, Can I call you back? Because I gotta get another signal.
Skido Ortiz:Now, those little towers you got around your property, can you explain that and that business? Because we got a discount. We use your card and your new business that you're
Shawn Pigg:Absolutely. So when I moved from the city out to the country, there's no internet. So we had to build towers. We built a 180 foot tower. And I was like, Okay, well, why don't we get smart in supplying internet to other people out here that don't have internet?
Shawn Pigg:So that's what the big tower is. And that's why we have a phone signal. That's why we have internet. Wow. Because of the towers.
DeShawn Snow:Wow.
Shawn Pigg:Yep. And it and it helps all the other people around there as well.
Skido Ortiz:You built that for that and all that.
DeShawn Snow:But was that is that your expertise or you just knew you
Skido Ortiz:had a need
DeShawn Snow:for it and you'd own?
Shawn Pigg:Well, I I ran into a guy who owns an Internet business, and he became one of my best friends. He's actually actually the one that is the person that I heard is what made me leave my ex wife. That's Yep. So he was the very first person I met when I moved out there. And we went out to dinner.
Shawn Pigg:And he goes and he said, come here. He goes, let me talk to you. He goes, I hate to say this. This may ruin our friendship, but I don't care. But what are you doing?
Shawn Pigg:And it woke me up. And I and then ever since then, we became best friends. I was supposed to be in Greece with them right now.
DeShawn Snow:Greece?
Skido Ortiz:Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. New friends. Greece.
Skido Ortiz:All of this, I
DeShawn Snow:want some friends to go
Skido Ortiz:to Greece. I went back to
Skido Ortiz:I'm back in Orlando now. Not to put it. We got the new you the you were about to come to the store, the new sneaker store, play for Hacks sneakers. Gotta promote that.
Skido Ortiz:You know, sorry, gotta promote that.
Skido Ortiz:Plug, absolutely. He was about to come. Everybody's showing up. But when I went back, my friend Mark Zipper, he's gonna he watches it. He's my Jewish friend.
Skido Ortiz:He they're at the yacht clubs. I hang out at the yacht club. So I you know, Mia's down there for the first time. She's like, Where are you? I said, I'm at the yacht club.
Skido Ortiz:This is how I move. I said, Let me FaceTime her because she probably put that look on. And I looked around the golf and all the yacht people,
Skido Ortiz:and he's like, You really at the yacht club.
Skido Ortiz:It's called Different Friends, Different Move, and I Scared to Open Up. And that's what you do when God got so much for y'all to do. Share it. Open up to new friends and new doors. It's okay to trust that.
Shawn Pigg:Keep your mind open.
Skido Ortiz:Keep your mind Always keep
Shawn Pigg:your mind open. And and your heart. And your heart because it has to work hand in hand with each other. You know, your mind, your heart and your soul, your spirit, everything has to work.
Skido Ortiz:And that travel business, talk about that with the card you gave me.
Shawn Pigg:So Hotels Etcetera, we are the oldest and largest CEG program on the Internet, closed user group. We've been in business thirty years. I've been a CEO for twenty years. That's when I walked away from my corporate world and said, okay, I'm gonna start my own business because my ex was pregnant with my second child. And I didn't see my first child because I was on the road all the time.
Shawn Pigg:And I'm like, I'm not going do this for the second child. So I was sitting at home one day and I was watching an infomercial and a company came on in, infomercial. And I probably spent every penny I had in my name, over $100, buying into this company, buying exclusives for this territory and this territory and this territory. I showed up at home one day, all the product was in my driveway. I'm talking about hundreds and hundreds of boxes of product.
Shawn Pigg:Immediately went out and started hiring people to sell the product, the program to everybody. First month, I think I did 100,000 in sales. So was pretty excited. Plus I gave 50% commission. So I brought in 100,000, paid out 50,000.
Shawn Pigg:Well, second month, had 100,000 in chargebacks. The company didn't work. So not only did I lose $100,000 but I lost the $50,000 commissions I paid. I wasn't from this industry. So I instantly shut it down and said, Okay, noodles and noodles time.
Shawn Pigg:That's what we're getting ready to do. And I just grinded it and grinded it. And I, you know, met everybody in the industry, know pretty much every CEO of every single company out there in in my industry and have personally negotiated over 3,000,000 discounts in a 141 countries.
DeShawn Snow:Oh, hotels.
Shawn Pigg:The hotels, cruises, cardinals, restaurants, golf, theme parks, So when I was in Florida, went and got the dehydration, the IV hydration with And now his company just signed up for it. So he's like, I've never gave a discount. Said, You are now. So what I do is I give businesses an opportunity to get exposure, mass exposure to millions and millions and millions of people as long as they give us a discount that's not available to the public. If they do that, we'll bring you into the company.
Shawn Pigg:So not only are we helping companies, but we're helping consumers save money. And then I have tens of thousands of distributors out there that distribute. So I also help entrepreneurs. So I'm helping all three faucets of the industry.
Skido Ortiz:How many members you got
Shawn Pigg:on here? I manage right now. I got four
Skido Ortiz:mil a little over 4,000,000
Shawn Pigg:in hotels, etcetera. I manage between all the white labels and etcetera, about 15,000,000 total. -Yeah,
Skido Ortiz:it's -My man. Different stuff
Skido Ortiz:out here, y'all. Connect to different things. People making a lot of money doing big things out here.
Shawn Pigg:And you got to think, during this time period of running the company in 02/2008, we had the financial crisis, you know, that really affected the company. However, when the economy got bad, we boosted. And then obviously COVID, boom, we really got knocked down by COVID. So during that time, I started transitioning to AI, artificial intelligence. And those that are not, you know, in tune with what's going on right now in this world, AI, you need to learn it.
Shawn Pigg:You need to learn it or it's gonna be you're gonna be left behind. Absolutely. That's like when I back in the 1990s, I was the first person to own domain names. I owned all of them and sold them until I got sued by Nickelodeon. Wow.
Shawn Pigg:Yeah. Because and that was before iCan came out, cyber squatting and everything. And then I created a very first electric ebook for Amazon. And he they stole it from me. Yep.
Skido Ortiz:I heard that.
Shawn Pigg:Say that.
Skido Ortiz:Wow. And
Shawn Pigg:then, know, I just so I kept moving. Like I said, I've made so many other people rich.
Skido Ortiz:Yeah.
Shawn Pigg:And I was tired of doing that. But, yeah, Hotels Etcetera is a great company, and it saves people a lot of money, quite a bit of money.
DeShawn Snow:That's awesome. One last thing I wanna ask, what do you what advice would you give people because, you know, you are on your path, you're trying, but, you know, you take two steps forward and then you get knocked back 10 steps, you know, and you're just like, ugh, I just can't win for losing. I mean, obviously, you know you're supposed to keep going, and you're not supposed to give up. But what piece of encouragement or advice would you give people like
Shawn Pigg:It's gonna happen. Still happens today. And and the most important thing is because there's a lesson you didn't learn. That's the most important thing. So when you go two steps forward and you're going five steps back because the third step, you didn't understand what happened.
Shawn Pigg:And if you don't fix that, it's gonna happen again and again and again and again. And it's just gonna keep knocking back, knocking back, knocking back. And the most important thing is, you already mentioned it, don't focus on the outcome. Like what I'm doing right now from a motivation, I don't care if I'm making $1 I'm doing it because it's my heart. It's my purpose.
Shawn Pigg:So I'm not focused on outcome. Just like the company now, I'm not even focused on the outcome. I've already built one of I basically have Airbnb, Uber, Lyft and everybody else on steroids. You know, that's what I am. And I didn't realize that didn't hit me yesterday until I was walking.
Shawn Pigg:I was like, what did I build? I didn't even realize what I built. So even being a CEO for over twenty years, I still just now realize what I built. So going through these challenges and journeys as you're building a company, you get knocked down and you go back, you know, sit down and figure out what knocked you down.
DeShawn Snow:Okay.
Shawn Pigg:What do I have to overcome and go around, know, in order not to make that happen again. And but it still happens.
DeShawn Snow:And don't get discouraged by it.
Shawn Pigg:Right? Never get discouraged. No. Because you know what's gonna happen.
DeShawn Snow:It's inevitable. You plan on failing. All then succeed is just failing for it.
Shawn Pigg:A 100%. Yes. Absolutely. And the more times you fail, you know, the less times you're going fail as you move forward. So for example, the first ten years of the company, I failed over and over and over and over again.
Shawn Pigg:Am I still failing now? Yes, but a bigger level. You know, because those smaller stepping stones help me fail at the bigger steps, you know, the bigger levels. And to overcome it is so much easier now.
DeShawn Snow:Yeah. You overcome it quicker. It's like a quicker turnaround, quicker. You're not set back and all in the bed and depressed
Skido Ortiz:about I like the way you said, yeah, from a smaller scale, now you're on a bigger scale doing but you kept moving forward. You understand what saying? You just don't give up. Just trust yourself. You know?
Skido Ortiz:Just like you said, learn from your mistakes. Every I feel like this. If you don't pass your test, it's gonna keep coming over and over. I'm saying that I don't care who you what you think you are. If you don't pass, God keeps He gonna bring you right back.
Skido Ortiz:He said, until you pass this, humble yourself or look at yourself and all of that. And then when it doesn't bother you anymore, you're gonna
Shawn Pigg:move on to the next. -That's when you're test
Skido Ortiz:-That's -Because you're testimonial. -A 100% correct. Absolutely. And that's And until then, you're gonna keep going through all that. You're gonna say, Nope.
Skido Ortiz:He's gonna bring you right back. And that's And that's when it That's the testimony. When you deliver, you overcome these things. And then you share it so somebody else could grow. That's it.
Skido Ortiz:And that's what it's about, passing it down.
DeShawn Snow:Being transparent and not worrying about what it looks like.
Shawn Pigg:Absolutely. And you know your purpose. I mean, you know, like, you know, the situation you went through and where you're at now, you know your purpose. You know where you're going, and your mind is focused. And you're gonna do very well at it.
Shawn Pigg:You're gonna do great. You're gonna
Skido Ortiz:do awesome. Both of you are.
Skido Ortiz:I appreciate it.
Shawn Pigg:And I I'm excited to watch your growth. It's gonna it's and and share it as well. But now that you know your purpose, nothing else matters. There's not nothing that no matter what anybody says, no matter how many times I trip and fall, no matter nothing. It doesn't matter.
DeShawn Snow:It's like you have to have blinders on. Right?
Skido Ortiz:Well, don't wanna put blinders on.
DeShawn Snow:Well, can look to the left or right for
Skido Ortiz:You don't wanna have
DeShawn Snow:for to be motivated, but not if it's gonna distract you.
Skido Ortiz:I mean, you don't Blinders could be dangerous, though, because you wanna be open. You wanna see everything. That's the point. You put blinders on, you'll miss things. You don't That's I don't believe in that.
DeShawn Snow:Think Or laser focused.
Skido Ortiz:Yeah, laser focused is just that blinders are blind. Know, you God's saying, See everything. Because every You gotta see all sides, because then you can grow from that. But blind as you miss things, you know? That's just
DeShawn Snow:But if you're getting caught up, though, on the things that you're seeing
Skido Ortiz:I mean, you can't get caught You seeing it not to get caught up. That's the point. You know what saying? If I don't see it, I won't know what to do or how to react. I'll need to see everything.
DeShawn Snow:But you at your heal space, you at your space can see it and not get caught up on it. But somebody in the beginning can see it and get caught up on it. For people that know, people that I tell them is that your brain is gonna stay focused.
Shawn Pigg:Yeah. When you're starting to find yourself and your purpose When you're not
Skido Ortiz:sure I would agree. Yeah. Because when
Shawn Pigg:I first went through my healing thing and, you know, started stepping into my next one, I did put blinders on because I didn't care what was happening around me.
Skido Ortiz:What I cared about
Shawn Pigg:was where I was going. But like you also said, laser focus.
Skido Ortiz:Yes.
Shawn Pigg:But as you start to move on, take those blinders Take them blinders off. Yeah. Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow:So you're a little ahead of the game.
Skido Ortiz:I'm 10 steps ahead. I'm that note, I'm on this show. I'm wrapping it up. You like chess, I know it's gonna end like that.
DeShawn Snow:We play chess, not checkers. Thank you so much, Sean. Thank you for very enlightening conversation. How can others hear more from you and find out more about you?
Shawn Pigg:You can go to seanpigg.com. Shawnpigg. You can find me on TikTok, shawnpigg. Everything's shawnpigg.
DeShawn Snow:Okay.
Shawn Pigg:I'm branding myself. This is my new my That's new awesome. I'm not gonna build anybody else.
Skido Ortiz:Good for you. Good for you.
Skido Ortiz:Appreciate you, Shawn.
Shawn Pigg:Appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you for inviting me out.
DeShawn Snow:Well, thank you everyone for tuning in on this episode of 10 Steps Ahead.
Skido Ortiz:-Yes, sir.
Skido Ortiz:-Love and life. Love.
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